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Akt 2

This show gets meta way earlier than I remembered.

Drosselmeyer actually asks Ahiru whether she'll agree to be in his story, if she thinks she can do it.  That seems ... odd.  Can he not bring people/ducks into the story without their agreement?  Maybe not.  Come to think of it, Drosselmeyer can't really control characters (well, except when he takes them into his clock/story/dead guy world and turns them into literal puppets), he's just very good at manipulating them and choosing the right kind of people for the right situations.  The only real storybook characters that you actually see in the PT timeline are Mytho, the Raven, and Edel.  Ahiru, Rue, and Fakir all get drawn into the story, but it's because they decide to get involved for Mytho's sake or, as in Rue's case, it's also because of the Raven.  In any case, Drosselmeyer can't seem to affect the characters' decisions directly.

A thought: Whether Ahiru is a duck, a girl, or Princess Tutu depends on her own actions.  She has a certain amount of control over her identity.  That could be an interesting idea to play with post-canon.

Hey, the first time Edel gives the accepting fate=happiness, fighting it=glory speech, it's to Ahiru.  I always think about it in conjunction with Fakir, but it really applies to all the main characters, even Drosselmeyer.

Hey, it looks like Mytho is reading Prinz und Rabe when Ahiru goes to talk to him.

Yeah, Fakir, you're totally one to call Mytho a jerk.

Rue and Ahiru's pas de duex, yay!

And Fakir claps.  xD  I always wonder why.

Akt 3

I think Ahiru's the only person on the main cast to regularly have normal reactions to things.  Odd, considering what a spaz she is.  Rue seems normal too, at first, but then you meet her alarmingly aloof and dark side.

Fakir's horse!

What the hell is that soup Ebine just served?

When did Ahiru learn the story of Hansel and Gretel, anyway?  Do ducks tell fairy tales?  Human fairy tales?  Are fairy tales universal in the PT-verse?

"It seems a heart that is too pure is an awfully heavy burden."  Thanks, Drosselmeyer.  

Akt 4

"Once upon a time, there was a sad love that would never be requited.  But that alone does not give birth to a story."

"LOOK AT THIS FACE.  I HATE THIS FACE AND ITS FEELINGS."  Fakir is fucking scary.

In Kinkan, even the ghosts dance.

It must really hurt to dance in those shoes, Rue.  She still looks pretty badass, though, at first.  I swear, only Rue and Fakir can make ballet badass.

Akt 5

Mytho's so emo.

Like with Rue, Ahiru can rise to the occasion when a good dancer helps her.

Fakir is the first character to compare Ahiru to a duck, I think.

Sometimes I think Ahiru has almost as much of a crush on Rue as on Mytho.

I wonder if the library here has empty rooms you can lock people in.

Aaand the scene from my icon.  Fakir, you controlling abusive jerk, get out of the way.  It is pretty impressive that Ahiru can throw him like that, though.  He's almost twice her size.

I wonder if the library here has a a system of tunnels underneath it.


Date: 2009-05-07 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] serika-san.livejournal.com
Hey, it looks like Mytho is reading Prinz und Rabe when Ahiru goes to talk to him.

Is he? Wow, I completely missed that.

And Fakir claps. xD I always wonder why.

Same here. XD It just seems odd.

Fakir is the first character to compare Ahiru to a duck, I think.

...And the first one to find out. Foreshadowing, perhaps?

It is pretty impressive that Ahiru can throw him like that, though. He's almost twice her size.

Inorite. XD I cheered, cause he was such an ass then. I wanted her to slap him, too. She's definitely got a little more strength to her than you'd think, though.

Date: 2009-05-07 12:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kai-lis.livejournal.com
Is he? Wow, I completely missed that.

The whole title isn't visible, but I'm pretty sure it is. And I probably only noticed because this is the first time I'm watching it with the dub, so I can look at details in the animation instead of focusing on reading the subtitles. xD

Same here. XD It just seems odd.

It's probably meant to be our first tiny clue that he isn't a complete jerk, and secretly has nice qualities. Though, I remember seeing a drabble once that said the reason was that two girls dancing together is always hot, no matter what. xD

...And the first one to find out. Foreshadowing, perhaps?

Yes, he is, and that, it could be. Fakir and Ahiru just ... know things about each other.

Inorite. XD I cheered, cause he was such an ass then. I wanted her to slap him, too. She's definitely got a little more strength to her than you'd think, though.

Yeah, it's one of my favorite early scenes for them. xD It would have been pretty awesome if she'd slapped him, but I guess she was too busy. Watching these first episodes, I've kind of been reminded that for all that Ahiru doesn't seem to think too highly of herself, she's capable of a lot without resorting to turning into Princess Tutu. She's not afraid of much besides her own shortcomings.

Date: 2009-05-07 02:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] haleysings.livejournal.com
Yeah, Fakir, you're totally one to call Mytho a jerk.

If I remember that scene's context right, I've always thought that he's laughing on the inside about Mytho being mean to Rue. XD

Hey, it looks like Mytho is reading Prinz und Rabe when Ahiru goes to talk to him.

Yep, it sure is. I've always wondered why Fakir instructs Mytho to only read the books he gives him, then actually gives him the story he's from. Isn't he afraid of Mytho remembering stuff from the story? Unless Rue gave him the book, or something.

I think Ahiru's the only person on the main cast to regularly have normal reactions to things. Odd, considering what a spaz she is.

I think it's because she comes from outside the town. This is her first experience with being in a fairytale, and the other characters have lived there all their lives...
(Then again, other characters that come from outside of the story seem only vaguely confused by things that are fairytale-ish. Hm.)

When did Ahiru learn the story of Hansel and Gretel, anyway?

She knows about a lot of human things that she shouldn't--I think it's just part about being brought into the story as a girl. I mean, she has enough fake memories that she doesn't even realize she ISN'T a girl until the second episode.

"LOOK AT THIS FACE. I HATE THIS FACE AND ITS FEELINGS." Fakir is fucking scary.

Yeah, that's the scene where Fakir goes from being "grumpy and a bit too controlling" to "abusive boyfriend material". XD Seriously though, that's...really emotional abuse. He's lucky Mytho can hardly feel anything.

I wonder if the library here has a a system of tunnels underneath it.

That'd be the coolest library EVER.

Date: 2009-05-07 02:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kai-lis.livejournal.com
If I remember that scene's context right, I've always thought that he's laughing on the inside about Mytho being mean to Rue. XD

Yeah, probably. It's still ironic, though. xD And it's a little weird to think about Fakir having a sense of humor, really. I was trying, earlier, to remember whether he ever actually laughs, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't. There might be a derisive snort somewhere in there, but I think that's it.

Yep, it sure is. I've always wondered why Fakir instructs Mytho to only read the books he gives him, then actually gives him the story he's from. Isn't he afraid of Mytho remembering stuff from the story? Unless Rue gave him the book, or something.

Ah, I thought so. And that's true. It was kind of bothering me, too xD. Then again, IIRC, later Fakir tells Ahiru that he used to read that story to Mytho. I'm really not sure why he was doing that. Maybe it's because Fakir has such an attachment to the story himself that he wants to share it, and since he knew Mytho was heartless he figured it wouldn't make a difference? I don't know. xD

I think it's because she comes from outside the town. This is her first experience with being in a fairytale, and the other characters have lived there all their lives...
(Then again, other characters that come from outside of the story seem only vaguely confused by things that are fairytale-ish. Hm.)


That makes sense. And for the last part ... well, Ahiru was actually a duck before she came to Kinkan, so maybe that makes her more of an outsider, or something. It could also just be another facet of Ahiru's hyper-sensitivity to things connected to Drosselmeyer's story. She notices pretty much everything that seems out of place. And also, I guess since she's the protagonist she's allowed to voice things for the audience now and then.

She knows about a lot of human things that she shouldn't--I think it's just part about being brought into the story as a girl. I mean, she has enough fake memories that she doesn't even realize she ISN'T a girl until the second episode.

Yeah. It makes me wonder what other memories Drosselmeyer might have given her. Can she remember being a little girl? Probably not, I think, but it's still interesting to think about the human things she knows and contrast them with the things she doesn't. Drosselmeyer probably didn't give her memories about Prinz und Rabe, even though everybody else in Kinkan knows about it, specifically so she could learn about it in his story, etc.

Yeah, that's the scene where Fakir goes from being "grumpy and a bit too controlling" to "abusive boyfriend material". XD Seriously though, that's...really emotional abuse. He's lucky Mytho can hardly feel anything.

I think he got a little too used to being allowed to be so controlling and abusive, honestly. xD Later, when he hits Mytho, he's kind of surprised at himself for a moment, like he finally realizes he's been going too far. And then later when Ahiru is resistant to his method of protection, he's kind of at a loss. xD

That'd be the coolest library EVER.

I wish I could visit Kinkan. It'd just be so insanely cool.

Date: 2009-05-07 03:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] haleysings.livejournal.com
I was trying, earlier, to remember whether he ever actually laughs, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't. There might be a derisive snort somewhere in there, but I think that's it.

I think I looked, and the only time he laughs is as a little kid. I think that's right. (Although now that I think of it, I can't remember when he DOES laugh...I just feel like he did at some point during his kid flashbacks. But it might've been more of an awed gasp...?) He DOES sort of make a smug snort when Autor calls Uzura and Ahiru "unrelated" to Drosselmeyer, but it's not quite a laugh.

Maybe it's because Fakir has such an attachment to the story himself that he wants to share it, and since he knew Mytho was heartless he figured it wouldn't make a difference?

Maybe...I guess he figures at this point that since he read it to him as a kid, there's no sense in keeping it from him now. But then why limit his reading at all? What is Fakir afraid he'll find if he reads everything?

And also, I guess since she's the protagonist she's allowed to voice things for the audience now and then.

Oooh, good point. So she's sort of an audience surrogate? (Also, the other stuff you said there makes sense, too.)

I wish I could visit Kinkan. It'd just be so insanely cool.

Me, too. I want to go to the town it's based on someday. The pictures look amazing.

Date: 2009-05-07 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kai-lis.livejournal.com
I think I looked, and the only time he laughs is as a little kid. I think that's right. (Although now that I think of it, I can't remember when he DOES laugh...I just feel like he did at some point during his kid flashbacks. But it might've been more of an awed gasp...?)

I can see that. I don't remember whether it actually happened, but it would make sense. In any case, I am now on the lookout for laughter from Fakir. xD

Maybe...I guess he figures at this point that since he read it to him as a kid, there's no sense in keeping it from him now. But then why limit his reading at all? What is Fakir afraid he'll find if he reads everything?

Yeah, maybe he figures the damage is already done, or something. And I don't know; maybe it's just part of how Fakir got carried away in trying to protect Mytho. Maybe he's afraid that if Mytho reads a tragedy, he'll go looking for the characters so he can save them. xD

Oooh, good point. So she's sort of an audience surrogate? (Also, the other stuff you said there makes sense, too.)

Well, yeah, I guess. She's an opportunity for other characters to give exposition. The same kind of thing happens later when Fakir needs Autor to explain stuff to him. xD

Date: 2009-05-07 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] haleysings.livejournal.com
I am now on the lookout for laughter from Fakir. xD

Awesome! XD You'll have to tell us if you see any!

Maybe he's afraid that if Mytho reads a tragedy, he'll go looking for the characters so he can save them. xD

...That would be an awesome fanfic. XD

She's an opportunity for other characters to give exposition. The same kind of thing happens later when Fakir needs Autor to explain stuff to him. xD

That makes sense! The need to have some sort of newbie so everything could be laid out for you.

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